In this revealing
interview with Sunday Dare and Henry Ugbolue, Senator Bola Tinubu, a returnee exile replays the intrigues of the Abacha
regime, the games politicians and the military play and his hopes for the
future.
How do you feel to be back
home?
It is very, very nice to
be back, very good feeling of family, camaraderie to be back in one's homeland.
It is indescribable: the reception, the joy of being back home. First, I want
to say a big 'thank you' to all journalists. Without you, without your
steadfastness, your commitment to truth and justice, your tenacity, the
struggle would have been nothing. We are back to strengthen that section of the
press which stood for justice courageously. I salute the religious leaders,
particularly the CAN (Christian Association of Nigeria) with honourable men
such as Reverend Sunday Mbang, Reverend Adetiloye and the rest of them. To have
seen this nation go through struggle without loss of lives in their hundreds of
thousands; without turning this Nigeria into Rwanda or Burundi, was due to
their prayers, and their courageous support for justice and truth. We will
continue to praise them and hold them in the highest esteem. The history of
this country will not be complete without their names being written in gold.
Let us take you to the
journey to exile. At what point, did it dawn on you that you had to travel out
of this country?
At the point that it was
clear to me that my life was in danger. Yes, after the annulment and we
declared Abacha's regime illegal, Senator Abraham Adesanya, Senator Kofo
Akerele-Bucknor, Senator Ameh Ebute, Senate president; Rev. Father Nwolu and
Senator Nweje were arrested initially. I went underground and was being sought
by the police and the authorities. Yet, I continued to grant interviews to the
international media and the local press. Suddenly, on 9 October, my house in
Victoria Island, Lagos, was petrol-bombed and a call came in that 'you grant
another interview, you try to abuse this government again, you will be
miserable.' I was still taking those as mere threats until a friend called to
tell me that I should go deeper underground or leave the country, that what
will happen to me might be a send-forth to eternity. The language he used, I
mean the way it was used, coupled with the fact that I was still on drips for
jaundice and typhoid, hit me hard.
Later, another friend
phoned me that they were heading for my house and I saw the signs. They didn't
meet me at home. I headed for the hospital where I received treatment. I left
that hospital in disguise because they were already at the door. They didn't know
I was the one.
My passports had been
impounded. But I was assisted by some embassies to procure travel documents
with which I travelled. went through Agege and the rest by commercial motorbike
disguised as a mallam (laughs). I even went to bid Kudirat Abiola and the rest
good-bye.
But I could not go to my
mum, I could not say good-bye to everybody else because at that stage, it
wasn't safe to do so. So, I left through the routes that became popularly known
as 'NADECO routes', out of the country. Sometimes, I had to hitch rides on
bikes.
I landed in Benin Republic
and made a call to General Akinrinade. As I was talking with him, they were
right in front of his house. He said they'd just arrived.
He was still in Nigeria?
He was still in Nigeria.
And the informants had already told me that Akinrinade was next. As I was
talking to him, he told me that he was just preparing his luggage. So, I gave
him the information that he should not come through the gate and he should not
attempt to go to Murtala Muhammed Airport. He later said he even had to jump
over his fence. He would be telling you his own story. He said he would be
connecting Dan Suleiman. Then I told them where I was in Benin Republic. They
sneaked out and joined me later.
After some days,
Akinrinade and Dan Suleiman left.
We will like to take you
back to the June 12 struggle. When the struggle commenced, we want to have a
clear understanding of what you faced then and what the military dictatorship
did...
The intrigues are quite a
phenomenon. It goes back to when Yar'Adua was manipulated believing that the
divide and rule game played by Gen. Ibrahim Babangida was to make Abiola
president and Kingibe his running-mate, contrary to the promise made to
Yar'Adua that Atiku would be his running-mate. Abiola was confused. He later
went round and nominated Bafyau after the threat from IBB that if he announced
Atiku Abubakar as his running-mate, he should forget about the presidency.
Abiola was worried. He got to Kaduna, Atiku was waiting for the announcement. Abiola
could not make it. He called an emergency meeting and had to leave for Abuja.
Babangida then asked him to pick Babagana Kingibe.
In addition to that, there
was pressure from the SDP governors for Abiola not to pick Kingibe as
running-mate.
Yar'Adua, of course, was
angry with Abiola for dropping his man, Atiku. Babangida played on that anger,
got Yar'Adua to endorse the interim national government and got Anenih to sign
off the mandate.
That was how Yar'Adua got
to support the ING and reconciled with Babangida by using Gen. Obasanjo. It's
truth, Obasanjo did not support June 12 It was a lie, a propaganda to say he
supported June 12. He supported the Interim National Government (ING). He said
it. They played on that intrigue that Yar'Adua would get that lost chance if
the ING was there; that he would be able to recover all that he had lost, using
his men nominated into the ING.
There were rumours making
the rounds that there was a deal between Abiola and Abacha.
An understanding.
Okay, understanding, a
sort of agreement. You were one of the men that accompanied Abiola to Abacha's
place. What really happened?
Until you have an
understanding of what happened before then you cannot have a clear
understanding of what really happened on the day of the visit.
What happened is...you
follow the intrigue... The case that went to the court, to Justice Dolapo
Akinsanya was engineered and proposed by me, as an elected representative of
the people. I was going to challenge the ING, its legitimacy, through Professor
Kasumu. Prof. Kasumu was never Abiola's lawyer. Prof. Kasumu drafted the case
on that day. We reviewed it. We were about to go to court and I mentioned to
Abiola, what I was about to do. Abiola invited Prof. Kasumu to meet with him.
Kasumu met with him. He said we'll, maybe Abiola himself as the candidate, the
custodian of the mandate, should really go for it. We changed it overnight,
turned the case round. Eventually Abiola took the case to court.
Prof. Kasumu won the case.
Justice Dolapo Akinsanya declared the ING illegal. So, each time we condemn the
judiciary, we have to make exceptions. No one was anticipating the judgment. We
had made alternative plan: that if the judgment was in Abiola's favour, he
should take over that night, but if the government won, we would find other
means. Unfortunately, may his soul rest in perfect peace, Basorun Abiola, was
so trusting. He trusted Kingibe so much. He had told him, we were going to
court, he had given Kingibe details of the action. The matter leaked to (Gen.
Sani) Abacha, who was then minister of defence.
When, the judgment came
and the court declared the ING illegal, and we were preparing to swear in
Abiola, Kingibe was nowhere to be found. Abiola was not ready to be sworn in
without Kingibe. He said it should be done in the traditional, normal way, two
of them, that he was not the only custodian. He said he had a running-mate.
Suddenly, a message came from (Gen. Oladipo) Diya that he needed to see me. I
then went to meet him at his house. They already had the information that
Abiola was to be sworn in (laughter). Diya said 'you've got the judiciary
supporting you, you should now get the military backing. We are ready to back
you, let's go.' Diya took me to Gen. Abacha's house. There Abacha told me, '
look, distinguished senator, you are the closest person to Abiola. I voted for
Abiola, I like us to handle the situation like gentlemen. We heard of a plan
that he was going to swear himself in. In fact, the constitutional crisis that
is on the ground now is a big one. This is the ministry of defence, we will
install Abiola and put the military behind him. Now that we have this
judgement, Abiola should, however, not swear himself in.'
There and then, they
called Abiola's son, Kola. They told him on phone that, 'we have spoken with
Bola Tinubu, and he is coming to discuss with you.'
Were you aware that they
were making the call?
I wasn't. They went into
another room... Abacha's inner room. I went back and discussed at 2 a.m with
Abiola.
I told him I was not sure
that these people were sincere. I cannot forget the proverb that he used to
explain his position. He said 'if you have to fight somebody, you've got to get
close to him. Even if they are not sincere, he is the de facto head of state
now, let me listen to him. I'm ready to take him on.' It was the time they gave
us the date, and he said Abiola would not last. When Abiola met with Abacha,
they told us that Col.(Abubakar) Umar was planning to topple Abiola. They
listed about 17 officers, including Gen. Joshua Dogonyaro and the rest of them,
who they said, were involved in the coup plot. They told Abiola, 'You won't be
able to stop them, you won't last four days.' They said they needed to get rid
of these dangerous boys in the military. Abiola became a little jittery.
Abacha told Abiola that if
by the third day, they could not swear him in, in six weeks, six months when
they have gotten rid of all the mines that's the way Abacha described it the
mines against June 2, and that Abiola should not walk through the mines at all.
That if they couldn't do it in three weeks, to six weeks, the maximum they
would take was six months and they will hand over to him. Kingibe agreed with
the plan. Abiola was so trusting. On the second or third day, Abiola said he
wanted to consult the SDP, the people. He did. We held a meeting in his house.
We went back to Diya after the discussion and raised a lot of questions. Diya
got angry because we were questioning their sincerity. He said he was a man of
honour and won't deceive Abiola. He asked Abiola what he was to gain deceiving
him. He said he had received severe punishment and discrimination from
Babangida because of June 12. He reminded us of his posting to Kaduna that is
more or less a demotion. He said it was Abacha's co-operation that got him to
the War College and that he believed Abacha could do what he said he would and
he (Diya) will do it with him. And then he got Abiola and my side trusting him
as a matter of fact. And, as a result of that, Abiola decided to grant him the
chance and opportunity to actualise June 12, believing that he will do it.
Then, another turn came
for Abiola to appear for discussion with Abacha. They met that night with
Abiola saying he was not sure of what will happen with his mandate, that he
could not trust Abacha.
He told Abacha so?
Yes, he told Abacha that
he wanted more convincing evidence. It was then Abacha convinced him of the
danger to his life if he should go ahead to swear Abiola him. Then an emir who
was a mutual friend to Abacha and Abiola was brought in to persuade Abiola to
believe and to support Abacha. He swore under Islamic and traditional oath,
more or less, that he would not sit down there and work against June 12that he
had spoken to Alhaji (Lateef) Jakande who would be Abiola's eye in government.
Diya had earlier called Jakande from his house that Abiola was on the way.
Abiola spoke to him. Jakande said he would stay awake until we got there. We
got to him at 2.30 a.m. When Abiola narrated the story, the discussion with
Diya and Abacha, he said, well, we should go along with it and that he was
going to take the appointment in Abacha's cabinet and he could be trusted to
work for June 12. He swore he would resign if they reneged. There and then we
made a call to Papa Ajasin (may his soul rest in peace). The old man said, 'no,
don't near them. They are dangerous.' Abiola vainly tried to persuade Papa
Ajasin about the sincerity of Abacha and Diya, but the old man was very angry.
When we got back to the car, I asked Abiola what he planned to do about what
Papa Ajasin said. He told me he would have to talk to Kudirat, to talk to Papa.
Six months passed, no June
12. Abacha became hostile. I went to Abuja to meet Diya in company of a
prominent common friend of ours. 'General Diya, sir, what about the mandate?'
He said, 'We are in crisis, we are still not stable, we have so much to do.'
Then I said, 'You probably have deceived us, six months have lapsed, and your
promise could not be kept.'
Therefore, I went to
discuss with Abiola.The indications were that these people were liars and they
would not actualise June 12. Then Diya's influence started waning. Abiola said
the honeymoon was over, he had to fight for his mandate. And it was then he
started putting together the People's Alliance for Justice and Unity (PAJU). I
think TheNEWS published those activities. I went to see Abiola in the UK.
Casting your mind back to
all that happened, could you have adopted better strategies for the struggle,
looking at the fallout eventually?
Probably that was the best
option we had. Different strategies could have been employed. Abiola had too
many advisers all sorts of things were being suggested. One thing we must give
him credit for, Abiola remained steadfast, remained resolute that he would not
want Nigeria to go through bloodshed. He said 'look, the poor masses, the
down-trodden, would suffer if we allow this to degenerate to serious crisis.'
That is why he had negotiations with Gen. Abacha. When there were protests and
students were killed, Abiola started fasting, started sending messages that it
should stop, that he would not want to ascend office on people's blood. So, no
matter what option he opted for, that peace and dialogue approach was the best.
A number of progressives
such as Jakande and Babatope were eventually taken in by Abacha, how will you
describe their roles?
The roles played by those
people were totally dishonourable. They betrayed the masses. Kingibe
specifically played a pivotal role. He served Abacha, held several ministerial
posts and even now, he is very close to the government.
You mentioned that Diya
was getting sidelined. Was he aware of what was happening?
I went to see Diya in
Abuja in company of a common friend of oursand I confronted him about these. He
was not receptive. Navy-Commodore Olabode George was there. We realized that
Diya was either overwhelmed or was sober. I told him, 'this is my last visit to
you, Mr. Vice-President, if you are not in this government to actualise June
12, you have betrayed us, you have betrayed the masses of Nigeria and you will
not come back the same.' He asked me whether that was a declaration of war
between the two of us and I told him to assume whatever. I was bold and
courageous enough to say that to him. That I will stop believing him. He
started giving excuses that it was Abacha that was playing politics and that he
was handicapped because of that. He said he wanted to be careful, that he was
still going to play the role he was expected to play on June 12. He said he
noticed that Abacha himself was not sincere and I said, 'quit the government.
If you quit at this stage, the government will collapse. Quit.' He said, 'well,
you are not my adviser. I will quit when it is necessary.' I said 'it is better
done now.' He said 'you don't tell me, senator, what to do?
You noticed there was a
transition in Abacha, from the gentleman officer...
Yes, he went crazy. There
is one big lesson. We have to understand the antecedent of the military,
particularly the Nigerian Army. The military Generals were trained to deceive,
they take every opposition as enemy, and they deceive you. You have to be
cynical in every political dispensation or arrangement; you have to distrust
the military. In their professional calling, normal duty, respect them. But in
any political arrangement, don't ever rely on any military 'friend.'
What about the Abubakar
transition programme?
Nigeria has gone through a
lot. At this stage, it appears the military's back is against the wall. You
still have to ask these questions as to their sincerity and commitment. But the
country must move forward. You can see poverty written on the faces of the
masses. Nigeria is retrogressing, not progressing in every aspect of social and
economic development. I still doubt what Gen. Abubakar is still doing there. I
still ask the question, why can't he just hand over immediately to a government
of national unity and reconciliation? But maybe he has other things in mind.
I'm not privy to his plans. Maybe he needed to take care of the army, and maybe
he needed to bring back honour and integrity to the military. He has the
opportunity now. We have to give him the chance to demonstrate that he would
not turn into another full-blown dictator and put us all in jail again. He has
that opportunity. He has the option.
There are fears Abubakar
may pursue another hidden agenda?
First and foremost, the
abrogation of Decree 2 is important. The abrogation will help Abubakar, not the
exiles, not because people are afraid of being detained. If government abuses
the rights of its citizens, it definitely loses its legitimate claim to civil
obedience. You can't abuse your citizenry and expect them to obey a dictatorial
law. They could revolt. It is their right. They have a natural right to be
whatever they want to beto speak, worship freely, etc. They are God-given
rights if you take them away, you've lost your own legitimate claim as a
government, to obedience to your laws and regulations. If you profess to have
free press, human rights and on the other hand, you promulgate a decree that
takes away the rights on the other hand, are you really sincere? We are trying
to help him sustain his credibility by asking him to abrogate Decree 2. It is
going to help him with the international community. Nigeria is a signatory to
the Geneva Convention and the Harare Declaration. Decree 2 is a complete
violation of those agreements.
There have been these
calls for restructuring
The restructuring is to
help the entire nation. Social engineering and economic empowerment and
political development of a nation depend on the flexibility of people to devote
their time to local and economic development within their environment. As a
matter of fact, nobody should be scared of restructuring. It is just an
imaginary fear of disintegration. Good governance, transparency, honesty,
respect for human rights and equity facilitate unity.
[The News Magazine 26 October,1998]
[The News Magazine 26 October,1998]
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